#soberwithoutjesus

alcohol free, drug free, god free feels....free.

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Nah, the satanic temple isn't actually about "Satan". It's more about positive thinking, respect for others as well as nature. They do a lot for women's reproductive rights. They have 7 tenets, basic "rules for living". But I don't really believe in any higher power like God or whatever. I feel that my higher power is the best version of me. Helping others, being dependable etc.

At least check out the 7 tenets, your phone won't blow up, I promise haha. I'm curious about your thoughts on them if you read them.

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Hahahaha

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Explain what you mean?

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They are involved in a lot of legal stuff, so its important to have structure. I would say it isn't any more or less dramatic than christianity in American society. The tenets are easily adopted by anyone of any faith., Just as much of some of the basics of christianity are.

It does. That is by design in some aspects because that religion is very oppressive in some areas.

I’m sober without religion or dogma. To each their own.

The 7 tenets are interesting. Without any real study, I’d say that justice, autonomy and science are way more in line with my concept of a power greater than myself.

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That's not the point of it. You're trying to not see it's merit.

It's more of a counter to religious oppression that seems to fly under the radar.

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I read them. Maybe the name is just to draw attention or ā€˜shock factor’ nothing evil about it and no mention of Satan at all. Sounds good for you! Go on witcho ā€˜bad’ self :+1:t5:

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It's not even my chosen full time method of recovery, but it is a good recovery resource as well as humanist resource. I do the zoom meetings with them and they are very practical and helpful.

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I opened this thread and immediately got struck by lightning.

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Hey there… piggybacking on your convo… it becomes oppressive when led by Humans who lack understand , insight, or are just afraid to preach it the way it was intended. Regrettably this is a, as you know, widespread problem.

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Def will look into this. I've been deferring my will to Allah for the most part, that's sort of where I keep my higher power conscience, but anything that promotes humility, kindness and service is a party as far as I'm concerned.

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I’m super grateful you all are finding something to hold your hope. I know anyone seeking truth and staying sober is already more mindful and considerate than most of the population and Humans I would be honored to call friend!!

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I agree with this I think. I'm confused about the "just afraid to preach it the way it was intended" part. Preach what?

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Preach all you want, to the people who want to hear the message. But do not force your beliefs on anyone. Do not deny anyone else’s beliefs. When I read a comment that is along the lines of ā€œJesus is everyone’s higher powerā€ you might as well be one of those street corner preachers with a bullhorn and a cheap suit.

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Look at me! Give me attention!

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What point are you trying to make?

Looks good