I need no man’s permission to state a fact
No idea what you're even on about.
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Nobody said you needed "permission" of any kind for anything.
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What "facts" have you stated? That you think that I "think too much"? I mean, okay?
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Mine he did
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Calling someone who abuses kids a man of anything besides evil is silly. That needs no defense. It's a wrong statement, period. As far as the other question, I don't understand...
I have 2 kids. I love them both and as equally as I know how. If I had 50, only the number would change. If one was a total scumbag.. maybe I would love them less. Certainly I would like them less. I dont pretend to be flawless mor all knowing however.
Someone said something the other day that resonated and people can hang me for saying as much but whatever...
What was said was basically this... "Oh, so is it that you don't believe in God or maybe that God doesn't believe in you..."
Another saying I stand by is this... All men (humans) believe in God, many just wish that they didn't.
It is funny how in life/death situations even the non believer tends to come around rather quickly. I have seen it happen more than. once without fail.
Dissect these thoughts however you want. Life is about conversation and disagreement as much as anything else.
Now there will be some who disagree for the sake of self entertainment to which I say...
Correct me Taylor if I am wrong, but I think he claims that believing God is all powerful and that God cares for each of us individually are opposing beliefs.
First I think that carries a number of logical phallacies Taylor. If you care to get into logic and rhetoric and what makes this a phallacious statement let me know.
Secondly, I think it's a false teaching that God cares about everyone. His children sure. Most religious teachings (mono-theistic) teach that one can be outside of that grace. Christianity in my opinion included. "Jacob I loved but Esau I hated"... for one. I think the universal God loves everyone, we are ALL children... I think it is highly unbiblical and complete nonsense. I also do t pretend that the canonized Bible is a complete translation and all or one of the 3000+ are infallible. Ask and you shall find, seek and the door shall be opened. Perhaps my answer is not yours and that is purposeful and I tentional. Afterall the hand and the mouth can't both act as the hand...
I don't care to get into a theological debate on this platform but to answer your question, that is how I see it. Everyone should feel free to question God. I think God can handle that. Perhaps God even prefers it that way, otherwise why not just create mindless drones?
Now see, you are inferring a whole lot. I care about my kids. I care that my daughter vapes... I don't care enough to allow it to separate us. If she chose to be a cannibal I would feel differently.
Where did you learn that God cares about every aspect of your life?
Also, it bears mentioning that any man who says they know God's word and will through and through is basically claiming g to be co-equal to God. We all have a purpose and a journey. Taylor, I think it's great that you make people question their spirituality. How else does ones spirituality become stronger? More knowledgeable? I may question your intent at times but that is my problem not yours.
In regard Taylor to your comment beginning "I think the HP thing is something esle people self medicate with..."
The crazy part is, I am a Christian. Not by everyone's definition and for that I won't apologize but where it gets crazy is I could easily agree with what you said in this particular comment. Now I think there is more to it than that but I also believe that what you sated is quite possibly true and even biblical! A confounding statement I would be glad to explain to you in further detail should you care to understand.
I've given some more thought to this and may have missed the point (if so my bad) but..
Rejecting one's ego and turning to the will of a higher power is a misstatement. Usually when someone says ego he or she means prideful self-importance rather than the id, ego, and superego. So the common statement is really meant as 'get over yourself and act in the best possible way'
Accepting an all loving God's Will in my life would mean making my will all loving, etc. and to do this I would align my Ego to that of God's.
So, of seeing my higher power as the best possible version of my will (Ego), it would be terribly awful to reject my Ego.
Also, I had a chocolate waffle today, yummy. It wasn't an eggo but..
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Why does it bother you that others believe in God? Aren't there many things others believe in that you don't? You seem to possess a God like or totalitarian attitude and opposition towards the freedom of others to live their lives as they choose. And then you think they should explain themselves to you? Just trying to understand why it matters to you so much if being religious saves someone's life or makes them a better person why does that bother you?
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Why do my questions bother you? Why can't you just answer them? Why does it bother you that I question the mental gymnastics it takes to try to understand how "god" plays into sobriety?
Hey, whatever blows your hair back!
Sorry, got busy. I didn't answer your Qs because I don't feel right judging what works for someone else in sobriety. To me religious freedom is part of the DNA of America and I don't question it.
Freedom of speech is also part of "the DNA of America". Questioning something is not "judging". The accusations of "judging" something is ridiculous. It's the sort of things people accuse people of when they don't want to have a legitimate conversation. I respect our right to blindly (faith) believe. I ask questions because I wanna know the answers, and because perhaps im not the only one wondering that has these questions. Also, to point out that "faith" in something else, God whatever isnt needed to get or stay sober. That is a lie. Pointing out the contradictions helps people to see what they have been told all their lives is worth at least questioning. The christians have been running the show for too long. Times are changing. People need to feel comfortable not believing and the more they realize that they aren't the only ones who feel this way, the better.
Also, prayer/god/believing to stay sober isn't sustainable. It's too mercurial and mysterious. Nothing fails more than prayer. When prayer fails people, it's then just called "wasn't God's will" or "he has his own plan".
What a load. I want people to live. Depend on themselves and their in real life support system. Doctors don't tell you to pray when you want to lose weight. They tell yiu to eat better and exercise. Sobriety is no different.
What's that got to do with anything? Every "old timer" I know got sober at 17 to 22 years old.
Also, I've never stopped drinking, until now, at 48, almost 2 years ago.
Your logic is not... logical.
I don't pretend to know what is right. I only know what has worked for me for the last 39 years.
I have a finite intellect; trying to comprehend the infinite is impossible, for me.
For me; surrendering my will to a power I don't understand freed me from the desire to drink.
For me;
Admitting my wrongs and faults to a power I don't understand and another human being have calmed my brainstorm.
For me;
Acting in a manner consistent with common religious teachings (honesty, humility, open-mindedness and service to others) transformed the trajectory of my life and made me better able to accept life on life's terms. Part of that is consistent prayer and meditation.
When I incorporate these above practices into my routines I am in harmony with the circumstances of my life.
When I leave out the prayer in my life, discontent becomes a part of my life again.
You can call it coincidence, you can call it bunk, you call it anything you want. My experience shows me that when I practice prayer I feel better. That's all i need to know.
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Yawn.
Oh, I'm sure it is.
Absolutely.
Isn't everyone looking for answers they "like"?
Why do you like me so much?
Awww thank you